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From:  clrose1   8/29/2003 12:48 pm  
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  686.1  
 
I am not going to start another place to debate in this forum about the LDS, but I will tell you that I for one, am not here to cause strife. I don't like your accusation, and it is absolutely false as far as I am concerned, or as far as it concerns me. 
  
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  From:  seven7up   8/29/2003 1:10 pm  
To:  clrose1   (2 of 50)  
 
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From what I can tell, the whole thing started when someone in this forum was smearing false information and lies about the LDS and their beliefs on their own forum. He got whooped on that forum so he invited them to his own forum. This forum. 
Then when the LDS began to defend themselves it ended up that the host calls it "causing strife". I guess that defending ones religion against lies is an "onslaught" which causes "division". Where did they find this creep who started the whole thing in the first place? 

Anyone who remembers the events clearly knows that it was the host himself who went over to the LDS forum, spouted off deceptions, and invited the members there to come on over to this forum. 

This is what any outside observer has witnessed. This is the truth. Delete or deny ... that doesnt change a thing. 

Just a heads up. 




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  From:  clrose1   8/29/2003 1:49 pm  
To:  seven7up   (3 of 50)  
 
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Understood. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/30/2003 2:14 pm  
To:  clrose1   (4 of 50)  
 
  686.4 in reply to 686.3  
 
I closed the thread because you are mot discussing (LDS) you are only causing strife.

 

For instance I have posted at lest 5 times regarding the (LDS) stance that humans, angels, demons, and God are all the same substance just at various levels and processes of (evolution). I have posted the Hebrews verse Hebrews 2:16 that God took on the appearance of a Human and not that of an angel, in order to Redeem Sinful humans back to God but fallen angels remain Ineligible for redemption because God Did Not become and Angel. Indicating that there are three different and distinct Groups 1  God (including Jesus), 2  Angels (including Satan), 3  sinful humans (including Mormons).

 

Yet after every post and reference you TOTALLY ignore my inquiry and post some personal attack.

 

Enough is Enough.

 

Sine you cannot discuss your beliefs or are unable to therefore I have no choice but to close your topic.

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    8/30/2003 4:44 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (5 of 50)  
 
  686.5 in reply to 686.4  
 
Perhaps because our understanding of these things is different from yours. Perhaps we do not see things as you do.
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/30/2003 10:17 pm  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (6 of 50)  
 
  686.6 in reply to 686.5  
 
 

Saying that we have a difference of opinion on clear Biblical principals isnt good enough!

 

You Mormons are supposed to have some sort of insight into the new Christianity yet you are completely lacking in any explanation of even the basic Christian Principals.

 

Not Very Impressive of you Mormons (LDS).

 

Your Mormon (LDS) Falls Apart on this and on many, many other real Christian Topics.

 

Admit it you are defeated!!!

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  From:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   8/31/2003 3:55 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (7 of 50)  
 
  686.7 in reply to 686.4  
 
David, 

God became human flesh (Jesus) to redeem sinful humans. Thanks for succinctly reminding us of the divine, creation order. 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/31/2003 4:07 am  
To:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   (8 of 50)  
 
  686.8 in reply to 686.7  
 
Hi R/C,

 

My Pleasure!

 

And there is more to it, Christianity already has the Predestination involved in it.

 

Once a person becomes a Christian we are immediately then Predestined to Heaven, predestined to receive a new spiritual body similar to the resurrection body of Jesus, a body to replace our current physical body.

 

The Christian being Redeemed, Saved, and Predestined into the Adoption and Inheritance of Jesus makes Christianity / Christians as the Bible says Complete in Christ Jesus leaving Mormonism, completely useless and without any merit.

 

God Bless You,
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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    8/31/2003 6:19 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (9 of 50)  
 
  686.9 in reply to 686.6  
 
Perhaps you see them as clearly Biblical, Sorry but I do not. 

We may be lacking in basic Christian principles but only becasue those Basic Christian principles may be incorrect. 

There is no reason to admit defeat because clearly that has not be demonstrated.

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/31/2003 9:43 pm  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (10 of 50)  
 
  686.10 in reply to 686.9  
 
What has been clearly demonstrated is the singular sufficiency of Jesus and His one time sacrifice on the cross for All of our Sins and of His everlasting Resurrection kingdom.

 

Therefore you have to admit that Joseph Smith and his Fiction are totally useless and have no value in a Relationship with God.

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    8/31/2003 9:53 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (11 of 50)  
 
  686.11 in reply to 686.10  
 
Why do you consider The Prophet Joseph Smith to have something to do with Fiction? God has always dealt through His Prophets and He always will as He said He would. Joseph Smith is His Prophet just as much as Moses, Isaiah, or Peter. 
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/1/2003 9:02 am  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (12 of 50)  
 
  686.12 in reply to 686.11  
 
Uhm Not

 

The Prophets of the Bible Agree with each other and present One cohesive Message the Message God has spoken to them.

 

Joseph Smith and the many other False prophets speak not about God but about the Pride and desires of man, therefore entangling and entrapping men and women into their snares, of which you and your companions are evidently ensnared.

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/1/2003 9:24 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (13 of 50)  
 
  686.13 in reply to 686.12  
 
What leads you to believe that Joseph Smith is a False Prophet?
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/1/2003 10:09 am  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (14 of 50)  
 
  686.14 in reply to 686.13  
 
Every thing that Joseph Smith said was False, Untrue and contradictory to the already established Word of God, i.e. Joseph Smith taught that people live on the moon and the Mormon Prophet Brigham Young not to be out done by Joseph Smith taught that people live on the sun. Not a bright bunch, those Mormon prophets!

 

PS. Here we go again that you are not discussing your thoughts but only denying ours therefore you need not post in that manner.

 

Also you have been asked not to post your shirtless signature, yet apparently Respect, nor Decency mean anything to you.

 

Didnt Joseph Smith at lest teach about modesty?

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/1/2003 1:46 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (15 of 50)  
 
  686.15 in reply to 686.14  
 
Everything? What specifically did Joseph Smith say that was contrary to the Bible?

Where does the Bible say that people do not live on the Moon or the Sun? How do you know Joseph Smith said that?

You are posting in generalities without providing anything to back up what you say. All I can do is to question what you say. As far as discussing my thoughts you have not given me anything to discuss except where you are getting you mis-information.

I apologize for my sig. It is my default but I do remove it when I remember to. I am not placing it here on purpose. The sig is perfectly modest. It shows no more than would be appropriate on any beach in this country. 

 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/2/2003 12:50 pm  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (16 of 50)  
 
  686.16 in reply to 686.15  
 
I have already posted the Joseph Smith Quotes and supporting material on this forum and on your forum so it is sort of dishonest of you to act like you havent seen the material from me or from others on your forum. For that matter as those two topics have been addressed several times on your forum and now apparently your best answer is that Joseph Smith is still credible.

 

I know it is sad when the same guy that promised that you would become a god of your own planet if you followed his teachings and he turns out to be a quak but you have got to give it up, you have about as much chance of becoming a god as you do of living on the hot sun!

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/2/2003 12:57 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (17 of 50)  
 
  686.17 in reply to 686.16  
 
Of Course the Prophet Joseph Smith is Credible. Just because you post something does not make it correct or true. Quite frankly I deal with so many people on these forums that attempt to "show me the errors of my ways" that I cannot remember what mis-information you posted. If you would like to post it again, I will respond to it.
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/2/2003 9:43 pm  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (18 of 50)  
 
  686.18 in reply to 686.17  
 
Thats the problem you dont respond.

 

You attempt to make Excuses and to Dismiss the very writings of Joseph Smith but you dont respond in a credible manner.

 

I know from past experience with your group/forum that being a weird cult with weird views that somehow one of your strange views is you think that if only you can get the last word in on a post or a discussion no matter how meaningless your comment is that you have won the entire debate but please spare us all and stop posting meaningless replies!

 

Posting the last word is of no value to your already sunken Mormon (LDS) cause.

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/2/2003 10:22 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (19 of 50)  
 
  686.19 in reply to 686.18  
 
What have I not Responded to? 
Bob 

  




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   From:  seven7up   9/4/2003 2:35 pm  
To:  R/C Floats (RachelsChild)   (20 of 50)  
 
  686.20 in reply to 686.7  
 
R/C: "God became human flesh (Jesus) to redeem sinful humans. Thanks for succinctly reminding us of the divine, creation order." 
Jesus holds the title of "God" but so does the Father. The Father delegated all power and authority to the Son. This is clearly displayed in Biblical text. You also must realize that the Father and Son were seperate personages even before the foundation of the world. This is why Jesus can rightly say. 

"Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world." John 17: 24 

The oneness of God is clearly given in the fulness of this chapter and the above verse demonstrates how Jesus was loved by the Father BEFORE the foundation of the world. Clearly, Jesus was not "God-incarnate" as some put it, because God the Father, who is the God of Jesus [John 20: 17], is demonstrated as having being seperate. So in what sense are they seperate? The physical sense mostly. God in Heaven, and for a time ... Jesus on Earth. Seperate will, seperate knowledge, etc. Yet, they are "One God". Like I said, John explains how they are one. 

Then you have ... 

Titus 1: 2 
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 

Who did God promise? He promised us. Because like Adam and Eve, we dwelled in the presence of God before the Fall of Man 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/5/2003 12:57 pm  
To:  seven7up unread  (21 of 50)  
 
  686.21 in reply to 686.20  
 
Hi,

 

You did not exist in the presence of God before the earth was created. If you did there would be no reason for God to create the earth as a place for humans to live.

 

I have already pointed out on your forum that you have No Memory of such an existence Because there was No previous Existence.

 

And you wonder why Mormonism (LDS) has no credibility and is considered to most foolish of cults. Wonder no more.

 

I thought that this was not going to be a debate thread. What happened?

 

Can you not let one opportunity pass without attempting to cause strife.

 

David



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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/5/2003 1:39 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (22 of 50)  
 
  686.22 in reply to 686.21  
 
How do you know that you did not have a pre-existance? Unfortunately, Scriptures disagree with you. Job 1:6, Numbers 16:22-23, Proverbs 8:22-31, Ecc 12:7, Jeremiah 1:4-5, John 3:13 and many other verse all point to the pre-existance.
Bob 

 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/5/2003 4:48 pm  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (23 of 50)  
 
  686.23 in reply to 686.22  
 
No they dont.

 

For example:

 

 Jeremiah 1:4-5 Then the word of the LORD came unto me saying, Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

 

This verse says Nothing about Jeremiah knowing God it is all about the knowledge and appointment from Gods perspective, God formed, God knew, God sanctified and God ordained Jeremiah. There is nothing to indicate from this verse that Jeremiah existed prior to his birth.

 

The Hebrew word for Know (3045) also means to appoint , commit or designate based on the knowledge God has of man.

 

Here is yet another example of Mormon deceit using poor scholarship to make an invalid Mormon (LDS) point.

 

PS. After again seeing you shirtless signature attached to your post I guess neither modesty nor consideration are yet a part of your Mormon lifestyle.

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/5/2003 5:11 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (24 of 50)  
 
  686.24 in reply to 686.23  
 
If Jeremiah did not exist before he was born then how did God know him then?
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/5/2003 8:48 pm  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (25 of 50)  
 
  686.25 in reply to 686.24  
 
For one thing God knows everything for another God calls into existence those things that are not yet in existance.

 

Are you saying that god is a person and cannot know His own plan and the future of His own creation.

 

Gods name is I am meaning that God exists separate and distinct from what we know as time and space. God is infinite.

 

I see this as a Major problem with the (LDS) in that you are constantly downsizing God and trying to make god into your image so you can deceive yourselves into thinking that you are like God. It must be very sad to be a Mormon and to have such a scrawny god.

 

I for one Enjoy the Fellowship of the Almighty Living God the creator of the Universe.

 

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  From:  KNEUROTH (KEN213)   9/6/2003 9:47 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (26 of 50)  
 
  686.26 in reply to 686.23  
 
My my your a bitter bitter individual.......................... 
Ranting and raving so perhaps you'd like to explain how you became so so enlightened and so self appointedly rightously so right. 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/6/2003 1:53 pm  
To:  KNEUROTH (KEN213)   (27 of 50)  
 
  686.27 in reply to 686.26  
 
I see that as a Mormon you have quickly resorted to your favorite Cultic Control tactic, to label and blame the other person instead of taking the responsibility for your own actions, teaching and doctrine.

 

I think you have just described yourself.

 

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  From:  KNEUROTH (KEN213)   9/6/2003 4:08 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (28 of 50)  
 
  686.28 in reply to 686.27  
 
Actually David, the LDS faith is quite self-defensive to anyone who really wants to take the time to study it. It's hard to learn anything when there are prejudices already at work, which you clearly have. 
You actually sound rather militant, in my opinion. There is alot of anger in you towards opposing views. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think straw-man tactics are condusive to a good atmosphere, so lets be nice. 

Might I ask you what faith base you attend. 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/7/2003 12:53 pm  
To:  KNEUROTH (KEN213)   (29 of 50)  
 
  686.29 in reply to 686.28  
 
Hi,

 

Presuming that in between your personal insults that you do want a conversation, what do you think of this verse in context with your Mormon parctices.

 

Hebrews 1:3 .. when He (Jesus) had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/7/2003 1:07 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (30 of 50)  
 
  686.30 in reply to 686.29  
 
Why Don't you show the entire verse?

(Hebrews 1:3.)


3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

This shows me that the Father and Son are separate and distinct personages. He has removed the sins of every one, not just some but everyone who has ever been born or will ever be born upon this Earth.

What is your take on this verse?

 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/7/2003 6:52 pm  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (32 of 50)  
 
  686.32 in reply to 686.30  
 
Uhmm .. I was quoting the topic that I was interested in discussing. The Bible verses are numbered for reference purposes basically to help people navigate and find information in the Bible there is no conspiracy in referencing only one topic in a verse.

 

What this verse and many others confirm is that your Mormon (LDS) rituals are completely useless.

 

Every time you dress up in your priest costume and hide behind your Mormon Temple veil to whisper secret passwords and to conduct secret handshakes it is All meaningless as Jesus Himself and Only Jesus has taken away our sins.

 

True, Jesus is the remedy for Sin and it is also True that unless you acknowledge His being our Savior that you are not Saved so therefore those who do not acknowledge Jesus do not have Salvation and you Mormons Do Not have Salvation because if you did acknowledge the Cross of Jesus you would not insult the cross of Jesus with you own Proud and Boastful attempts to rid your own sins.

 

PS I had to delete your friends post and ban him from the forum for his totally unwarranted personal attacks. It was interesting that he posted the request to not argue yet he then launched into a tirade. I guess he only wants to give rules and then not have to follow his own rules, that is probably what makes him such a good and happy Mormon.

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/8/2003 5:15 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (33 of 50)  
 
  686.33 in reply to 686.32  
 
That person you mentioned is not my friend. I do not know who s/he is and did not invite that person here.

Sorry but I do not see that, that verse shows that LDS ordaniences are meaningless. I do nto believe nor accept that. I believe they are very meaningful and necessary. 

I do not have a Priest costume, nor do I hide behind any veil. If it is all meaningless then it does no harm to continue whatever it is that we do in the Temple. I believe it is very meaningful and necessary. Those that felt of the Spirit at the recent Redlands Temple open house might disagree with you.

You say that we must acknowledge Jesus in order to be saved. If that is so, then we have to do something to gain Salvation and it is not a free gift. We are therefore not saved by Grace.

What happens to all those millions and billions who have never heard of Jesus, who have never had the chance to learn anything about Jesus. There are countries that forbid the Bible, forbid the teaching of Jesus. What happens to all those people?

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/8/2003 11:24 am  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (34 of 50)  
 
  686.34 in reply to 686.33  
 
What happens to all the people who never hear the Gospel of Jesus and dont have a Bible? They still have the witness of Creation. The Bible says in several places that all creation testifies of the Glory of God and that the Heavens declare the Glory of God and they also have the testimony of the Holy Spirit so God has not left anyone out of the reach of His witness.

 

I guess you can pack up your Mormon (LDS) baptismal for the dead they dont need it they had their opportunity to accept God! Yet another Meaningless Mormon practice.

 

You Mormons on the other hand have rejected the Gospel of Jesus and Do Not have the Holy Spirit unfortunately you do have a deceiving spirit that is keeping you in bondage and spiritual blindness for which I do pray for you often that you might be delivered from.

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/8/2003 11:55 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (35 of 50)  
 
  686.35 in reply to 686.34  
 
So if we are saved with only a knowledge of Creation then we need not Acknowledge Jesus in order to be saved. If that is so, then everyone will be saved. IF everyone is saved then what is the big deal?

As far as Baptism for the dead goes, Jesus said that everyone must be baptised. How do you propose to baptise those who, through no fault of their own, were never baptised? How about those many who lived before Jesus? Are they lost?

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  From:  clrose1   9/8/2003 12:38 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (36 of 50)  
 
  686.36 in reply to 686.4  
 
I have not seen things through your eyes. I also don't think I have personally attacked you any worse than you have attacked me. 
  
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  From:  clrose1   9/8/2003 12:39 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (37 of 50)  
 
  686.37 in reply to 686.6  
 
LDS has not been defeated in the slightest with any of the things you have said. I have refuted the things that you have said, and you keep on coming up with more that you find wrong without addressing my refutations. 
  
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  From:  clrose1   9/8/2003 12:40 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (38 of 50)  
 
  686.38 in reply to 686.10  
 
The two statements in this post don't do anything to prove anything one way or the other. It is this kind of logic that I have not understood from your posts. 
  
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  From:  clrose1   9/8/2003 12:43 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (39 of 50)  
 
  686.39 in reply to 686.14  
 
Joseph Smith did not teach that man lived on the moon, and Brigham Young did not say that people live on the Sun. If you would read the whole discourse of the Sun then you would know that is not what he actually taught. People like you tend to believe the anti-mormon places that they go to for information which is contrary to what was spoken about (not necessarily taught). 
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/8/2003 2:33 pm  
To:  clrose1   (40 of 50)  
 
  686.40 in reply to 686.39  
 
Yes, Joseph Smith did teach that people lived on the moon he said They are a tall people taller and more uniform in height than the people who live on the earth and that they dressed much like the Quakers dressed.

 

I think he was trying to hoodwink people into thinking that there are planets and moons out there waiting to be settled and inhabited by Mormon Perverts, except he forgot that there is no oxygen and very little if any water and heat in outer space ton live on so he messed it up. But then again he never thought God would bless man with the ability to go to the moon and again prove Joseph Smith AND HIS FOLLOWERS  to be the QUAKS that they are.

 

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 From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/8/2003 2:41 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (41 of 50)  
 
  686.41 in reply to 686.40  
 
Did he really say that? Could you please provide the reference? 

On the other hand what proof can you provide that there are no men living in the moon? or the sun for that matter?

Bob 

  




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/8/2003 2:51 pm  
To:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    (42 of 50)  
 
  686.42 in reply to 686.39  
 
Hi Bob,

 

I appreciate that your concerns and discussion is about doctrine and Eternity.

 

The main problem with Mormonism and it is the problem that reveals (LDS) to be unnecessary is that you have removed God and replaced yourselves into Gods plan for mankind. You and your practices are declaring that God is incompetent and that it takes a bunch of Mormons to do for themselves what God cannot do.

 

It didnt take God 1845 years after the cross and resurrection of Jesus to then figure out what Christianity is to then reveal it to Joseph Smith. I think that it did take the Devil 1845 years to find some proud and boastful suckers to fall for his lies though.

 

Jesus was talking about the Baptism of Identifying with Jesus that He is God and that we are sinners in need of His sacrifice and His Resurrection Life.

 

Just look to the two Thieves on the Crosses alongside of Jesus. The one thief  understood that Jesus was God and he requested to enter into the Kingdom of Jesus, he entered into the Kingdom of Jesus and he was not water baptized. The second thief even after seeing the first theif repent never did believe in Jesus as God and therefore he is in hell even though he personally saw Jesus die on the cross for his sins.

 

For certain God is capable of Creating Life and of being a Steward over His Creation. You Mormons are entering into Dangerous Territory by playing God.

 

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  From:  Bob (BOBKATZHOST)    9/8/2003 3:09 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (43 of 50)  
 
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You say a lot of generalilities but don't back them up with anything. I wonder why that is.

How is it that you think that we have removed God and placed ourselves into God's plan? What exactly do you mean by that. The name of the Church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Jesus Christ is at the center of everything that we do.

We do what God has commanded of us. We do not declare Him incompetant. It is not a matter of God not being able to do something. Rather it is a matter of God deligating His work to us just as He did in Biblical Times. 

It took 1800 some odd years for Satan to have drawn people far enough away from God to have changed Christianity enough for it to have to be restored. It took that long for the conditions to be right to allow for the restoration. 

Jesus did not promise that the Thief would enter the Kingdom of God. Rather He promised that the thief would be in paradise, which I do not believe is the Kingdom.

We do not play God, We serve Him as He has asked us to.

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  From:  clrose1   9/9/2003 6:24 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (44 of 50)  
 
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I know where the reference for this is, do you? Do you know for sure that Joseph said this, or was it speculation coming from somebody else in a different time? What was the context of this being said? Let me give you a possible hint... Not everything I say is teaching people... I say things in jest at times... If Joseph did say this how was it being said, and to what group of people. Why is it only one man that remembers Joseph saying this? 
BTW, I really like your Christlike attitude when talking about the mormons... NOT!!! I know Christ would be apalled at what you say about other people in generalities.
 
  
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  From:  clrose1   9/9/2003 6:25 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (45 of 50)  
 
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How do you know the thief was not baptized? He very well could've been baptized and then turned into the theif... 
LDS people do not play God.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/9/2003 9:11 am  
To:  clrose1   (46 of 50)  
 
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Christianity (Gods renewed relationship with mankind) is Complete in Jesus Christ since it is completed then anything added to it is Unnecessary therefore the Entire Mormon (LDS) Religion is Irrelevant, Unnecessary and Wrong!

 

Colossians 2:10 and ye are Complete in Him (Jesus), which is the head of all principality and power.

 

You Mormons are posting in the Most general of ways with absolutely No support for you positions you really have no credibility and apparently the only reason you remain here is that you love to argue.

 

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  From:  clrose1   9/9/2003 9:44 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (47 of 50)  
 
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According to your logic, there is no need for Christianity then since LDS is a Christian religion. LDS are not adding to Christianity, rather, they are living a Christian lifestyle, and following the Savior Jesus Christ. 
You claim that the only reason the LDS are here is to argue. I won't answer for the rest, but will answer as to why I am here. I am here to correct the false things that people like you say that are not what the LDS church teaches. I will defend the Christian religion in all ways and at all times when I see falsehoods being spoken about it. If you call correcting you on the falsehoods that you state arguing, so be it... 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/9/2003 9:53 am  
To:  clrose1   (48 of 50)  
 
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When Jesus becomes a brother to the Evil Satan then (LDS) Mormonism will become a Christian religion but since that will never happen you will Never be a viable (Religion) Relationship with God!

 

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  From:  clrose1   9/9/2003 9:54 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (49 of 50)  
 
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LDS is a Christian religion in following the Savior in all ways, and in all things. Whether you like it or not.  
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/9/2003 10:01 am  
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The Real Concern in a Relationship with God and in meeting Gods approval is whether Jesus Likes it or Not!

 

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